20 interesting statemente re quad v tri

What works & what doesn't and in what type of conditions. Got a "secret" only you and your shaper know???? Post it here... we can keep it quiet ;-)

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And why does the water move faster?
[around the curve of the foil]
For a similar reason that the outside of a record (or CD for you technophiles) moves faster than the centre - it has further to go!
Beware, if fluid (even something with a relatively high surface tension (inter-molecular forces that we won't go into detail on)) is stressed too much the forces will break, releasing trapped air (like boiling), whence comes cavitation. I assume a small amount of this is good, since it provides the "lift". Too much and we get drag.

I guess the question is how far from the fin these effects stretch. Is it even possible for fins that are inches apart to influence one another or are we using the wrong key in the dark?

Does anyone even know whether we are dealing with laminar or turbulent flow in surfing? Some enthusiast could make a few calls about the real (rather than land) speed of a board and a fin in turn and calculate the Reynold's Number. Then we may deduce how far from the fin the effects are likely to extend and find out whether quad fin synergies are just smoke up my skirt (not me, I've already got one PhD on the go, thank you)
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Hey red,

Being a flashpoint rider did you give any of bud's boards a go when in Hawaii?
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is it cavitation or ventilation?
surfboards work in the boundary layer of air and water and skegs don't move THAT fast (think impeller on centrifugal pump). try to suck 2000gpm out of a 1000gpm hydrant and you'll HEAR cavitation at work. I've heard skegs sing but not like that.
with the multitude of surfboard shapes (and skegs) it comes down to making choices. I can't imagine the white coat crowd making that choice for me. Groms have it easy. Copy your fav pro, or the heavy at your local. surf a coupla years and you're an expert on everything. thats people, thats life. might as well be hanging out the wash.
so what did THIS grom choose:
FLASHPOINT, S3 fwd, trailer size and position determined at the beach

BLAST FISH, BC rudders fwd, smaller trailers (available thru Bud) [quad dorje, quad]

some would say two boards couldn't be more different, but that's exactly the point. go surf
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willli wrote: BLAST FISH, BC rudders fwd, smaller trailers (available thru Bud) [quad dorje, quad]


hang on willli ....im still counting....1, 2 ,3 .......f fo ... :lol: :wink:
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It's alway quite interesting to see how some people prefer cling to old ideas and remain ignorant rather than try to open their minds! :roll:

For example, there are those who still believe that the Earth is flat, or that it is the center of the Universe... :P

(A couple of weeks ago I got into a debate with some people who thought you could balance an egg on its pointy end on the Equinox. Something about the Earth being midway in its orbit around the sun and thus the gravitational pull was exactly equal between the two hemispheres. They claimed they had heard this in some college class or read about it on the internet. I couldn't convince them otherwise. :lol:

I must admit, when I first came across this new description of lift as a physical force acting in accord with Newtonian physics (a few years ago), I too stubbornly clung to my old beliefs in Bernoulli. I just couldn't get my head around it! :?

But after thinking about it and reading the same ideas from different legitimate sources (which I can refer you to if you are interested), I came to see the error of my ways. :idea:

Now that's not to say that the Bernoulli Principle has no role to play. It does provide some lift. But calculations show that it cannot provide more than about 1-2% of the lift necessary to lift a MULTI-TON jetliner into the air. Some other force must simply be at work... :shock:

I'm not going to get into a technical argument on this subject on this web site. All I can is point you in the right direction and suggest a new way of thinking. The rest is up to you... :wink:

P.S. I also find it quite amusing how some people use the same phenomemon to both explain and deny what they wish to believe in! :roll:
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I have come to the conclusion that I prefer to ride (In Florida conditions) thrusters and tri's more than quads. I have 4 boards, two of each style.

During the NSG, was anyone ripping the North Shore on Blast tri's? I know Bud's quads were out in force.
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viv la differance

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if you wanna ride soft waves and slide turns, a twin with a small stabilizer(aussie tri) is the board.if you want to ride dredging grinders at mach speed and drive off the bottom(real waves), get a quad with fins back.
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carlos wrote:
if you wanna ride soft waves and slide turns, a twin with a small stabilizer(aussie tri) is the board.if you want to ride dredging grinders at mach speed and drive off the bottom(real waves), get a quad with fins back.

hey Carlos..good first post

but coming from OZ I gotta say that if I said that to Simon Farrer, Michael Novakov, Peter Crawford (if I could), Kyle Bryant, Matt Gallagher and Damian Gaynon then I know what their answer would be..

and it wouldn't be a quad

hart

not name dropping, just looking from OZ (water) experience

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unless of course, you didn't figure these guys surfed the real waves to which you refer..(but, I know that Farrer has done just that..)

all in good faith, mate
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Post by Steeno »

gotta agree with you.....

but Parkesy was surfing a fins forward quad on the biggest of days in Hawaii, on his own, according to all reports from Bud, crew etc

surfed the asym board today with some good success
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